I use most all races, unless it is a MSW with mostly FTS, but if there are 4 horses, I use it. That's why I put notes for MSW 2yos, so I can filter them out. — Tom

Ok that’s probably a good idea to filter those out. Thanks for the explanation!

Quick question for Tom:

Do you include all races in your model or do you "filter" races that you like? (Claimers/Allowance etc)

Can't wait to see your work Tom!

Exactly what I do when I have downtime which is not a lot when you are working almost every day and up at all hours lol

The only things I would be updating would be records (unless betting has happened) along with track bias notes (I will probably stop doing regular posting for Keeneland TB notes) and finally my power ratings for my sports selections so they are updated for the next games to play

There have been a few times when I had nice longshots like between 20-1 to 30-1 to win and see them get "late money" and the odds would drastically go down to like 15-1 or 10-1 which is not bad but would have appreciated a much better return/payout lol

Or even on the times I would be on a "logical favourite" at 2-1 5/2 or 3-1 at the most then it see go down to even money (1-1) 9/5 8/5 7/5 6/5 which again lowers the payout

$17.00 $25.20 have been the only "big prices" for me at Keeneland this year but today I hit a $14.80 horse on top

Usually, the bigger paying horses are in my top 3 or 4 more than on top lol

Cool story about you and how you were involved with horse racing!

Welcome to the forum Steven :)

They have huge barns but mostly focus on the cream. — Gregory Byrnes

That is so true

It is just the top horses they focus on and then those horses disappear because they are probably not making them money as that is why a "super trainer" would want to keep a horse for either money or for publicity so others can focus on their stable horses

10/14/2021
BOTH Dirt Sprints and Dirt Routes were favouring "Front Runners"
Posts 1-3 won 5 out of 10 races
Average Lengths Back 1C/2C
DS 1.1/0.6
DR 0.6/0.5
TS n/a
TR 5.2/3.8

I put a opinion statement above for the different services that offer "Clocker Reports" if you wanted to have a look Tony

10/13/2021
BOTH Dirt Sprints and Dirt Routes were favouring "Front Runners"
Posts from 4-6 won 5 out of 8 races
Average Lengths Back 1C/2C
DS 0.7/0.1
DR 1.0/0.1
TS n/a
TR 5.7/5.7

10/10/2021
Ok I see that now thank you very much! This helps a lot :)

Here is what I would say about a few services

DRF: Cover Belmont, Saratoga, Gulfstream and Santa Anita ONLY. Not every horse will get a chance to be on the report so be careful with that in your Handicapping. The reports are ok with comments and grades but each clocker is different.Online workouts are pretty good.

Bruno with the Works: This Guy I have heard of for a long time and always seems to hype his product up in his emails and online. I believe his workout reports are pretty expensive and cares more about just getting your money vs putting work in. The report starts out with his selections in every race and then when you scroll down you will see (almost) every horses workouts graded from 1-5 stars without a comment which I think is pretty useless because why should this horse deserve the 5 star workout today and not last time? Bruno covers almost every track possible. Almost got in legal trouble with sharing his reports with a friend but I got away with it for some reason?

Toby Turell: I hear people in SoCal talk about this guy for his workout reports but again another guy who puts in not a lot of effort and a very short report with not too much detail on the workouts. Covers California racing only I believe.

National Turf Clocker Report: this is a pretty nice workout report. Almost every horse is covered and includes a short comment with grade. Covers SoCal and NoCal racing.

HR Report/Handicappers Report: In my opinion this has to be the best workout report out there. Have always been sastisfied with their workout reports for being so detailed and also they make sure they include every horse in every race and best of all you could probably hit a few winners with just by using this report it’s just that great!

Those are all the services I can review for now. Just on a personal note I would recommend clicker reports if you are really wanting to include them in your Handicapping but be careful where you are getting them from m. I don’t ever buy these reports because I don’t use workouts in my Handicapping as much as I used to. The workout data is good if you know what your looking for but again it depends on the service company.

Hope this helps!

Thank you.
I, too, see the need for this community, but perhaps nobody else does.
You know, I tried this once before and couldn't get anyone to post. It could happen again. — Dave Schwartz

Hopefully it turns out to be the next best handicapping forum out there! :)

Sorry no 1-2 for 4 days is the best I have time for lol these days

That is why I posted that link to PA when I was doing my Keeneland tipsheet (was wrong about that) because there was no way to attach a PDF but only images

It's nothing special that I do all I do is download past results charts from Equibase then using my own observations for tabbing what horses are what running styles along with 1c/2c beaten lengths plus my mini track bias notes I can complete this in under 1-2 hours tops for 4 days

Here is the profile I have for Keeneland's 3 days of racing
I create a short comment with the date for mini track bias
Then I have a profile of the winners with what posts and running styles are best

10/8/2021: BOTH Dirt Sprints and Routes were favouring "Front Runners"
10/9/2021: Dirt Routes and Turf Sprints were favouring "Front Runners"
10/10/2021: BOTH Dirt Sprint and Routes were "Strong Front Runners" Turf Sprints "Front Runners"

Average Lengths Back at 1st and 2nd Calls
10/8/2021
1C/2C
DS: 0.6 and 0.1
DR: 2.2 and 1.0
TS: x
TR: 1.5 and 1.2

10/9/2021
1C/2C
DS: 3.4 and 2.0
DR: 1.9 and 0.7
TS: 0.0 and 0.0
TR: 1.4 and 1.2

10/10/2021
1C/2C
DS: 2.5 and 0.6
DR: 0.5 and 0.2
TS: 0.0 and 0.0
TR: 1.9 and 1.6

4/15/2021 to 10/10/2021
Dirt Sprints
1st Place: Front Runners and middle posts
2nd Place: Front Runners and middle posts
3rd Place: Front Runners and either Rail/middle posts
4th Place: Front Runners and Rail post

Dirt Routes
1st Place: Front Runners and Rail post
2nd Place: Front Runners and middle posts
3rd Place: Front Runners and middle posts
4th Place: Front Runners and Rail post

Turf Sprints
1st Place: Front Runners and Rail post
2nd Place: Stalkers and middle posts
3rd Place: Stalkers with Rail post
4th Place: Stalkers with outside posts

Turf Routes
1st Place: Stalkers with middle posts
2nd Place: Front Runners with middle posts
3rd Place: Front Runners and either Rail or middle posts
4th Place: Stalkers with Rail post

I know this doesn't really have anything to do with what we are talking about but just wanted to show everyone with just a few minutes a day you can figure out track bias!

Welcome to the forum JRand! Nice to see someone shares the same common interests as
me (horses and baseball).

No I do not work for Dave I am currently just a forum member like you.

I was just saying if you have questions for me or anyone else here don’t be afraid to ask as I know Dave is building towards a positive and awesome forum for the next few months+

Welcome to the forum, Tony!

I hope to hear your professional handicapping stories on this forum sometime

Welcome to the forum Norm!

Any questions please do ask away!