• Tom's Ulitmate Odds Line - The Software
    Lol- too funny Steven. Thank you for your work here!!! I seem to find a bug or two in my selections every day.
  • Tom's Ulitmate Odds Line - The Software

    Tom- thank you for your work as well. After all it's named Tom's Ultimate Odds Line
  • Tom's Ulitmate Odds Line - The Software
    Thanks Steven for your great work. Since this program is about 'odds lines' I'd suggest some sort of a trainer stat in place of the blank class category. Trainers do impact the odds line and who wins the race. I'll wait for some feedback from Tom, Ranch and William as well. They always present good ideas
  • Tom's Ulitmate Odds Line - The Software
    Thank you Tom and Steven!! great work and thank you for sharing.
  • Oaklawn Park Handicapping Info 2021-22

    Conley, thank you for your fine work!! Clearly looks like you want to focus on horses on or near the lead (unless I'm misreading something). To me a real bias is underway.
    Also something that may provide more power is to consider using ranks for some of the factors. For example is a 113.2 BPP the highest ranked BPP in the first race? I believe a rank would provide a clearer picture for EP and LP factors as well.
    Thanks again
  • What's Winning at Gulfstream
    Hey Steven,
    I've been looking at your data and have a question. I do see the general flow but there are 3 rows titled 1,4 and 7. Could you please explain at your convenience what each row represents? That will help me understand your sheets fully. Thanks
  • What's Winning at Gulfstream

    I second that thank you!!! Great stuff Steven!!
  • Another measure of class
    I believe Ranch is saying that a race from which competitors came back to win their next is likely a stronger race than one where no competitors won their next start. Some refer to this as a key race.
  • What's Winning at Gulfstream
    At first glance some good stuff there Steven. It will be cool to see how these hold up after a fe weeks
  • HorseStreet Forum Going Live
    Hope you feel better Dave
  • Your methodology?

    Yes I believe it did. I'm still reviewing the PPs but thank you
  • Your methodology?


    I don't believe I've ever been at the site. Would you consider posting a few selections here to help me understand your methodology? If not, I certainly understand that. Thanks
  • Your methodology?

    Hi Ranch, I believe there is a website, paceandcap.com where the Sartin methodology is discussed. You may find it useful
  • Your methodology?


    I have used a computer in varying degrees to aid my handicapping. In the mid 1980's I used the PC to download handicapping aides along with the printed DRF. In the early 1990's I still used a racing form or racing times but also handicapped every race with ThoroBrainX. After ThoroBrainX left the market When HSH became available I used it in conjunction with the printed form. I found myself relying more on my analysis from the printed form.
    When I started betting to make a living I became wary of making changes as there is a fine line between winning and losing. My primary tool remains the DRF (formulator) which allows me to print a customized form, watch replays, maintain trip notes and quickly review result charts. When Dave introduces a new AI product I believe I will become much more PC dependant
  • Is the CUTAWAY a good idea?
    I've given this some thought and I admittingly don't know the rules regarding this cutaway but I'm not in favor of it.
    Questions on rules:
    1) Are there limits to how many horses and take advantage of the cutaway? Or is it reserved only for the inside horse following the leader.
    2) Are the inside leaders prohibited from dropping into the cutaway even if there are no rivals close behind them. For example the leader has a 3 length lead.

    I also see a safety concern running through the turn. Will the cutaway make navigating the turn more dangerous as multiple horses attempt to gain rail position? Horses tend to lean out a bit when they are making the turn which could lead to more crowding.

    Just not if favor of it based on the information I have right now
  • Is the CUTAWAY a good idea?
    This may require some thought but at first pass I don't like the idea. I also see some issues with jockey safety as well. I should study up on this as some folks believe it is a good idea. lol
  • I'm Colty


    Thanks Colty- so much of what I've learned from Dave is not 'always bet the top EP' type stuff but instead ways to approach this business. This gives you confidence when playing and in your self. Good luck going forward Colty!!
  • I'm Colty


    Hey Colty- welcome aboard. I'm a long time player and I'm curious to read about what changes you have noticed. Thanks
  • How do I continue to let this happen?
    Now that is something to think about!! Appreciate the ideas