I was never involved in the Sartin methodology but I do remember reading about that contra energy concept. Sounds like you find it viable. If I played exactas that would be interesting

Tough balancing act William

Wow some interesting ideas here!!! I believe that more posts can only lead to a better forum. Ranch and Dustin you guys are great

Exciting news Dave. Really appreciate the opportunity to participate!!

It was a bittersweet seminar as Dave was transitioning from ThoroBrain 4?? (which I loved as a product) to the Handicappers Notebook. 30 years later and I'm still whining about it. Lol

Great to hear from you Gerard!!! That seminar was great fun. Also got the opportunity to meet some wonderful ppl like yourself. I realize that economics and logistics make on-line seminars so much more practical in todays world, but I do miss the human interaction. Dave was so great on the fly at those seminars.
I hope you can stay active on this forum and contribute!!

Regarding ground loss I see both sides of this debate. But I do utilize Thorograph sheets at times and ground loss is a big component there. I've found the Thorograph performance figs to be the MOST accurate figs I've ever used and their presentation is very comfortable to my eye. So if I had to pick a side in the ground loss debate I'd have to conclude that ground loss does matter

Good idea Conley!! I know I have a copy of kinky handicapping but I cant find it.

Really enjoyed so far!! I too am looking forward to the remained

Steven, I looked for my copy of Kinky Handicapping and I can not locate it. Seems many things got misplaced as a result of a move.

I know this is a hot button issue for so many people. Not so much for me. I do understand the frustration of not getting the payout you expected due to late bets but you are correct that odds on other horses go up. Improvements in technology may display the odds changes sooner but won't change the outcome.

Special thanks to Conley for coordinating the BC discussion tonight. I had a great time discussing the races with Conley and Ranchwest. So much fun and great insight into the races!!!

Hey Conley-
I still have no link. Were you emailing it?

Welcome Zayonce!! Look forward to sharing ideas with you soon.

How will we be communicating? You mentioned FB. I'm not sure where to go right now

Thanks

Dave, while I don't believe I ever used Reynolds number as described in your article the concept makes sense. I should look for a way to incorporate it into my handicapping. Did you use Reynolds numbers back in the old Thorobrain days? I felt that product was outstanding! At least I was getting good results. lol

I'm game!! Count me in

Is that EST?

Excellent approach

Dave, thanks for your response. And I see that we are approaching the race differently. I do believe there are 'factors' for which time decay should play a big part. I wasn't trying to give you a hard time, just get your opinion on time decay regarding speed figs.
I really appreciate the discussion!!!