At first glance some good stuff there Steven. It will be cool to see how these hold up after a fe weeks

Hope you feel better Dave

Yes I believe it did. I'm still reviewing the PPs but thank you

I don't believe I've ever been at the site. Would you consider posting a few selections here to help me understand your methodology? If not, I certainly understand that. Thanks

Hi Ranch, I believe there is a website, paceandcap.com where the Sartin methodology is discussed. You may find it useful

I have used a computer in varying degrees to aid my handicapping. In the mid 1980's I used the PC to download handicapping aides along with the printed DRF. In the early 1990's I still used a racing form or racing times but also handicapped every race with ThoroBrainX. After ThoroBrainX left the market When HSH became available I used it in conjunction with the printed form. I found myself relying more on my analysis from the printed form.
When I started betting to make a living I became wary of making changes as there is a fine line between winning and losing. My primary tool remains the DRF (formulator) which allows me to print a customized form, watch replays, maintain trip notes and quickly review result charts. When Dave introduces a new AI product I believe I will become much more PC dependant

I've given this some thought and I admittingly don't know the rules regarding this cutaway but I'm not in favor of it.
Questions on rules:
1) Are there limits to how many horses and take advantage of the cutaway? Or is it reserved only for the inside horse following the leader.
2) Are the inside leaders prohibited from dropping into the cutaway even if there are no rivals close behind them. For example the leader has a 3 length lead.

I also see a safety concern running through the turn. Will the cutaway make navigating the turn more dangerous as multiple horses attempt to gain rail position? Horses tend to lean out a bit when they are making the turn which could lead to more crowding.

Just not if favor of it based on the information I have right now

This may require some thought but at first pass I don't like the idea. I also see some issues with jockey safety as well. I should study up on this as some folks believe it is a good idea. lol

Thanks Colty- so much of what I've learned from Dave is not 'always bet the top EP' type stuff but instead ways to approach this business. This gives you confidence when playing and in your self. Good luck going forward Colty!!

Hey Colty- welcome aboard. I'm a long time player and I'm curious to read about what changes you have noticed. Thanks

Now that is something to think about!! Appreciate the ideas

I was never involved in the Sartin methodology but I do remember reading about that contra energy concept. Sounds like you find it viable. If I played exactas that would be interesting

Tough balancing act William

Wow some interesting ideas here!!! I believe that more posts can only lead to a better forum. Ranch and Dustin you guys are great

Exciting news Dave. Really appreciate the opportunity to participate!!

It was a bittersweet seminar as Dave was transitioning from ThoroBrain 4?? (which I loved as a product) to the Handicappers Notebook. 30 years later and I'm still whining about it. Lol

Great to hear from you Gerard!!! That seminar was great fun. Also got the opportunity to meet some wonderful ppl like yourself. I realize that economics and logistics make on-line seminars so much more practical in todays world, but I do miss the human interaction. Dave was so great on the fly at those seminars.
I hope you can stay active on this forum and contribute!!

Regarding ground loss I see both sides of this debate. But I do utilize Thorograph sheets at times and ground loss is a big component there. I've found the Thorograph performance figs to be the MOST accurate figs I've ever used and their presentation is very comfortable to my eye. So if I had to pick a side in the ground loss debate I'd have to conclude that ground loss does matter

Good idea Conley!! I know I have a copy of kinky handicapping but I cant find it.

Really enjoyed so far!! I too am looking forward to the remained