Thank you.
It is imperative that I get the odds into the software.

I will begin with AmWager and ATR.

Me, too.
Guess I will begin with that one.

And, of course, ATR will be an option.

As I said, I already have an ATR interface to my existing product.

Since I am adding features to a new product, I'd prefer it not come with a $100-per-year tax.

So, I'm looking for tote boards to be copied/pasted into the software.

I could scrape but that is generally against the terms of service. Well, it is always against TOS.

Thank you.
Of course, I have that but not everyone wants to spend the money. Besides, getting the data OUT is a hassle.

ATR actually has an HSH interface that does a good job, but it is too slow when you're playing 4 or more tracks.

What I meant was, "What WEBSITE do you use to view and/or capture the odds?"

Let me try it another way.

How do you get data from the tote board?

Man, if that's funny, just wait until you hear my comedy routine! — RanchWest

Mama raised me to be po-light.

That's the pronunciation of the two words. For instance, it is NOT log-it. — RanchWest

Hilarious!
:razz: :rofl:

LOH-jit, prä-bət. — RanchWest

What that mean, Kemosabe?

Could not find a translate page.

Thanks Dave! This is another concept that will twist my brain in x directions. LoL — William Zayonce

LOL

If you like CX Wong's book, know that there is a link in it to a whole bunch of spreadsheets.

Precision: Statistical and Mathematical Methods in Horse Racing

A bit of thread drift, but if you like that one, perhaps you will like this one as well.

SEARCHING FOR POSITIVE RETURNS AT THE TRACK: A MULTINOMIAL LOGIT MODEL FOR HANDICAPPING HORSE RACES

LOGIT is the basis for how the whales play.

Basically, there are two strategies used by the whales.

• Logit
• Probit

Which leads to this:
Logit vs Probit Models: Differences, Examples

Are you guys seeing this issue with your data?
At some point Gulfstream changed races originally scheduled for Turf to be moved to the Tapeta instead of the main track. Because there has always been one symbol for "off the turf" that historically means "moved to dirt", my incoming data is showing off the turf races as ran on dirt, when they were actually moved to tapeta. — Dustin Korth

What is your data source?

Ranch- I have never seen a rule prohibiting this practice. I have seen trainers requiring some sorts of kickbacks from riders but nothing like this story. Illegal no- unethical yes — Tony Kofalt

Exactly.

Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery. :)
I got them from Benter. ;)

Here are the time decay factors in HSH.


Here are the Composite Factors.


Take a look at Time-Decay Stretch Run and the like.

Dave has a product entitled "Understanding Early Speed".... In one of the later chapters he defines four distinct race shapes based upon "pace pressure" (using Quirin Early Speed Points).... If there is "no discernable pace pressure" or in other words, pace pressure is not predictable, then you have a "chaos" race.... This "process" has served me well and I'll leave it to Dave to elaborate if he so chooses....

Or, I'm sure he'd be pleased if you purchased this excellent product!

BTW, I'm not a shill for Dave and I must admit I've purchased most all of his products.... I've both used and discarded many of his ideas; but without exception, I've found handicapping "nuggets" in all of them! — Jack Price

Just awesome.

I just happen to have a link right here.
Understanding Early Speed

I'm not sure if I have much to offer because, to me, "Chaos Race" means something very different than it seems to mean to you guys.

Not saying you're wrong, but to me it indicates... well, chaos. LOL

Now, I understand that in the mathematical sense, "chaos" really means that order exists where there seems to be no order.

But, my opinion is that when you find a CHAOS RACE, you (essentially) don't handicap it because the handicapping won't select the winner.

My belief being what it is, CHAOS could easily mean HANIDCAPPING WILL FAIL.

I find TWO INSTANCES that consistently produce CHAOS RACES:

• Very Low Odds Horse Loses
• Early Speed Fails

What language are you using, Dave? — RanchWest

I use a language called Clarion.
http://www.softvelocity.com/

I am on probably my fourth or fifth version (hopefully a final version) of my software. — Steven

There is an old saying... "Being a programmer means never having to say you are finished."

I don't get away with zero documentation/notation but I am pretty much to minimum documentation/notation. I had to abandon hundreds of hours of code in order to write better code. — Steven

I feel your pain.
I had to abandon over 10,000 hours worth of working code from HSH!
(That's 2/3s of all the coding I did in of 20 years on HSH!)

I've built a strict rule:
"All new code will fit my personal 10-x Coding Standards."

I am sure you know how difficult this is - to take the CODING HIGH ROAD for everything new.

Like, I was writing a simple set of list-up/down buttons.
Imagine, you have an alpha list but you want it sorted in a LOGICAL ORDER way.
Further, you don't want the user to have to ever type in a logical order number.

In HSH, I actually used numbers, but I vowed to do better code in the Studio and going forward.

So, I bit the bullet and spent about 15 hours writing a set of functions to manage this, instead of maybe 1 hour to get it working the old way.
(If you want to know how it works, I'd be happy to show you.)

But there was a payoff.
I've now used it in about 10 different browses, and have begun to reap the returns, because it now takes about 15 minutes to facilitate adding those buttons and making them functional in any browse!

Not EVEN yet, but getting there.

WONDERFUL POST!

Have you been reading this book?
Clean Code: A Handbook of Agile Software Craftsmanship

I think the issue is huge. Those of us who have been in horse racing for many years are frustrated by odds drops. But newbies are frustrated not just by the drops, but by not grasping why they are shooting at a moving target. — RanchWest

100%.

Thank you!
I just downloaded @Jack Price's work.

I will take a look.