• Season's Greetings to all
    It's a wonderful time of year.
    May you all be warm & safe.

    And I have a simple, two-word suggestion.
    (You know I would have something.)

    Heating Pad
    When it's cold, we sleep with a heating pad over the covers and keep the heat low. Saves big winter $$ on heating costs.

    OK, truth: Our two-story house has a huge flaw: If the temp is set to more than 62 degrees downstairs, it is 85 upstairs. (Not joking.) So, this discovery was a defense mechanism.

    The bird needs 61+, so that's where we keep it.

    During the day we use the gas fireplace.
  • Season's Greetings to all
    And stay WARM! We're looking at wind chills -25 tonight.Tom

    Wow!

    Merry Christmas to you as well!
  • Natural Odds Line and 1-2-3 Systeem
    Life begins anew at 72...LOL.Mickey Arnold

    That's 2 weeks away for me!
  • Natural Odds Line and 1-2-3 Systeem


    Natural odds, by definition, would be the dart-throwing chances.
    Thus...
    • 8-horse field, natural odds would be 7/1.
    • 10-horse field, natural odds would be 9/1.
    • 6-horse field, natural odds would be 5/1.
    • 12-horse field, natural odds would be 11/1.

    However, I suggest that you use a minimum of 8/1 and a maximum of 10/1.

    Therefore...
    • 8-horse field, natural odds would be 8/1.
    • 10-horse field, natural odds would still be 9/1.
    • 6-horse field, natural odds would be 8/1.
    • 12-horse field, natural odds would be 10/1.
  • Do you ever?
    don't understand. Is that for horse racing? Update what? Odds? Parimutuel odds?RanchWest

    The game at Betfair is about arbitrage.

    So, it's all about current take & lay price.

    By the time a good bet is put up, it's gone in a 5th of a second or less.
  • Do you ever?
    To be competitive on Betfair, the standard is that your software must update 29 times per second.
  • Picking Losers is the Best Whale Killer
    Of course ,I'm aware that the participation rate will necessarily fluctuate from pool to pool, which is why I suggested "average" participation. Am I correct in assuming that the ROI of +7.5% to 9% is factoring in the rebates?William Zayonce

    Yes.
  • What should an odds line be?
    The "process" is certainly not unique but it's objective is find selections which are "unique in that field". A white horse is not unique (there are plenty of white horses in the world) however ,a white horse in a field of horses which are not white is unique in that field. This is,of course, not a relevant handicapping factor ( unless we know that white horses run faster than nonwhite ones and a large portion of players can't see that it's white )William Zayonce

    We see this differently.
  • What should an odds line be?
    Ah... I was referring to unique permutations.
  • Picking Losers is the Best Whale Killer
    Have I made an inaccurate assumption?William Zayonce

    You'll have to be the judge of that, but I would say "no."

    Not +/- 3% but rather precisely -3.5% has been the target.
    This allows an ROI of +7.5% to +9%.
    The model calls for the bankroll to be churned 125x per year.

    Limited to 30/35% depends upon the track takeout & rebate.

    Odds levelling out: They do not "level out." They skew towards the efficient -3.5% for them, which equates to almost pure takeout rates for us.
  • Picking Losers is the Best Whale Killer
    3: the possibility that many players are simply getting more efficient, perhaps by using computer programs .?William Zayonce

    This is the real challenge.

    4 people out of a 1000 win.
    6 out of 6 whales win.

    There's the math.
  • What should an odds line be?
    The higher the rebate, the higher the percentage of whale money at the track.
    About 34% of total win pool at tracks like MNR, CT, DED, etc.
    About 10% of total win pool at tracks like SA, CD, etc.

    The higher the rebate, the greater the percent of pool that shows up after the gate opens.
    About 60% of total win pool at tracks like MNR, CT, DED, etc.
    About 45% of total win pool at tracks like SA, CD, etc.

    Using that math, for every $100 wagered "late"
    $57 will be whale money at tracks like MNR, CT, DED, etc.
    (34 / 60 = 56.7%)
    $22 will be whale money at tracks like CD, SA, etc.
    (10 / 45 = 22.2%)
    William Zayonce

    Well, it was WRONG.
    Using that math, for every $100 wagered "late"
    $57 will be whale money at tracks like MNR, CT, DED, etc.
    (34 / 60 = 56.7%)
    $22 will be whale money at tracks like MNR, CT, DED, etc.
    (10 / 45 = 22.2%)
  • What should an odds line be?
    Fixed MY typo in the original and your repost.
  • What should an odds line be?
    Well, if it's working, keep doing it.
  • What should an odds line be?
    There's also the horses that match what you know works and nobody has it.RanchWest

    Nobody has it for the same reason.
  • What should an odds line be?
    I built such a product years ago: Vulnerable Favorites.
  • What should an odds line be?
    I would think it's the same process that identifies false, vulnerable or" play against" choices in the top 2 spots.William Zayonce

    I'd completely agree.

    Do you have such a process yourself?

    If so, how effective is it?
  • What should an odds line be?
    What about an engine that identifies win candidates in the 40% of races that those top 2 lose?William Zayonce

    How do you identify just those race?
  • What should an odds line be?
    Finding which contenders will likely take the most action is plenty good enough for my purposes.William Zayonce

    I built that engine.
    It loses 4-6% per wagered dollar for me.
  • What should an odds line be?
    Wait...
    Are you speaking of their bet size relative to:
    A. Total Pool size (i.e. they're eating their own profit)
    or
    B. Their total bankroll (i.e. optimum bet theory)

    Of course they have A covered.
    That is basic tote math.