Seems that is good news for current HSH users. — RanchWest

Well, I'd hope that we'd pick up 100+ new users outside of current HSH users.

There are a lot of horse players who purchase "reports" and spend close to the same amount as this software will provide.

Imagine a whole bunch of selectors and picker for every track.
Imagine unique reports for every track.
The list goes on and on.

Of course, the 3-4 day per month players can never justify spending money on software.

I simply cannot serve that market.

So, this uses the same data as HSH? — RanchWest

Yes.
That is the only possible business model that works for a software vendor.

It's like what All-Ways software does with listing the top 10 Bris speed ratings. — Mark

Exactly!

Dave's idea is to take the sorted 6th highest figure and look for an 8/1+ horse that is within that 1st to 6th range. I think Steve probably gets it now. — RanchWest

Not 6th but Top 6.

What is it Dave said in one of his workshops "Often wrong, seldom in doubt". — Steven

One of my favorite quotes, along with one from the TV series, Billions: "I am not uncertain."

I found the one above and removed it. Where is the other?

It is. This thread is about Tom's UOL. — RanchWest

Indeed.
Call me self-centered.
LOL

In other words, what you are describing does not seem to me to be the same thing that s implemented in UOL. — RanchWest

Sorry. When I heard COLLECTIVE SPEED, since I've never heard of anyone other than me using those words, I assumed the discussion was about this thread.

Here's a race with 3 double-digit horses, but only 1 qualified as having a speed rating in the top 6. He paid a nice place price at 10/1.

Example:

PS: I like mine better. :):

What am I missing? — RanchWest

I guess Multi-Caps Collective Speed is not the same as MY Collective Speed.

You guys have misunderstood Collective speed.
Sounds like you are thinking that you are adding them up. Nope.

If you have 10 horses, each with 10 pacelines...

Those 100 pacelines are SORTED BY SPEED RATINGS (highest to lowest) --- INDIVIDUALLY.

What you will find is that 94% of all winners will OWN one of the top 13 speed ratings. (This has no value because there is no such thing as a low-odds horse who doesn't qualify. LOL)

You will also find (as I said in another thread) that a LONGSHOT (really 10/1 and up; used to be 8/1) who has a speed rating in the top 6 can be bet to place.

You are awesome, dude! :up: :up:

So they have wager value? — Biniak

The videos show that those point to factors that SHOULD do well when low odds horses that are ranked 1st don't win.

Kind of difficult to recall precisely which are which - but 1.15 or so is pretty high.

That's probably, in part, because the average payout is, I think, around 9/2. That's average. The median is lower, somewhere around 5/2. Dave can tell us more precisely. The average gets skewed way up by the infrequent 50/1 and such horses. — RanchWest

I'd say that you're pretty close. Probably a little higher; used to be way higher. (Like $12.80.)

Except the ones that are very well-intended.

Is that 8/1 on the tote board? — RanchWest

Yes.

Thus, you'll occasionally get burned by a horse at 8/1 at gate time who goes down. Truth is that it's the double-digit horses that perform the best.

Here's an idea that has stood the test of time for over 2 decades.

1. Build COLLECTIVE SPEED
Take every speed rating for every horse and put them into an array.
i.e. 10 horses, with 10 pacelines each = 100 speed ratings.

2. Sort Speed Ratings from Best-to-Worst

3. Any horse above 8/1 that has a rating in the top 6...
... is a bet to run exactly 2nd.
Thus...

• bet to place
• key in 2nd position in exactas, trifectas, supers

4. Special Note: They RARELY WIN!

@Biniak & @RanchWest - Make sure that you really understand what's on the videos. It contains a completely different way of looking at IV Tables.