• Class - How do you determine it and then use it?
    We have many options available:
    Class level of last good race
    class level of best good race
    Average competitive level
    Back class
    Earnings per start
    Earnings box class
    Composite earnings-based class
    Composite level-based class
    Time-decay class performance
    Time-decay average purse value

    And, like you said - is speed just another way of quantifying
    class? An the others also.

    We have more than enough ways to determine it. Is it just a
    personal choice on which one you use? Which do you think
    is best?

    Which is the most profitable? Need to do some research on that.
  • Positioning vs Beaten Lengths
    can you summarize Randy Giles handicapping book
    information from 25 web pages
    "Extreme Pace Handicapping: If You Doodle They Will Come" by Randy Giles focuses on the concept of pace handicapping in horse racing. Here's a summary based on available information:

    Core Concept: Giles emphasizes that the best payoffs often come from races with extreme pace aberrations, not from typical or pedestrian-style races. He introduces the idea of "pace picture doodling," a simple yet effective method for understanding and predicting race outcomes based on pace scenarios.
    Methodology: The book discusses how to identify and categorize horses into different pace profiles like "The Thief," "The Clever Thief," "The Loner," and "The Carpetbagger." These profiles help in understanding how horses might perform given specific pace conditions in a race.

    Practical Tools: Giles provides techniques for quick analysis, including making small charts or "doodles" to organize and rank horses by their Quirin speed points and running styles. This method helps in visualizing potential pace scenarios and identifying horses likely to benefit from those scenarios.

    Reception: Reviews on the book vary. Some users have found it insightful for understanding pace handicapping, appreciating its simplicity and effectiveness in practice. Others were less impressed, citing a desire for more detailed explanations or clearer presentation of the concepts. However, many reviewers acknowledge that the book has helped improve their handicapping skills, particularly in terms of identifying when to bet on or against favorites based on pace analysis.

    Author's Background: Randy Giles has dedicated his handicapping career to pace analysis, developing formulas and software like the Velocity Generator to assess race pace dynamically. He has been involved in horse racing research for over 18 years, focusing on horse psychology and the physiological effects of pace velocity.

    This summary reflects the key points from the book as described in various online reviews and descriptions.

    from Pony: I found the book to be very insightful and
    well worth the purchase price.


    The concepts generated a lot of thought. Like Dave said,
    I'm not so sure on the particulars of each of the styles presented.

    Anyone able to articulate the 5+ count?
  • Say a Prayer for Ron Tiller- May he rest in peace
    As a JCapper user, I had many LONG conversations
    with Ron over the years. He was always so very helpful
    and gave out his expert knowledge about racing freely.

    I will miss him. I considered him a friend.
  • New NVIDIA supercomputer $3,000
    Can it mine bitcoin?
  • State of the Program #4: SIX WAYS FROM SUNDAY
    Can't wait!!

    Your tease has me counting the minutes.
  • Working Groups to learn deTerminator
    Great to have you aboard.

    Welcome!!
  • George Makes a Run For it
    When I was 4, I ran away from home. My mom packed up my bindle
    and stick and sent me out the front door.

    I made it to the corner before deciding this wasn't such a good idea.

    George seems to have come to the same conclusion.
  • How to bet "The Neal"
    REMEMBER = The NEAL needs to be a minimum of +10
    or
    50% bet down from the AI line.

    I think I got that right.

    @Neal Freedman correct me if I am wrong.

    I bow to your greatness!!
  • How to bet "The Neal"
    DON'T underestimate the power of "the NEAL"

    4use36997rrk0dzd.jpg
    y5k6kffgqftjactu.jpg
    rxw99el7zsrsr3pi.jpg

    How logical was that - even the Super!!
  • Saturday 09-14 HandicappingGet-together
    Thanks to Jim Pommier for doing a great job!!

    Next time, don't do such a good job or I might get replaced.
    :grin:
  • How to bet "The Neal"
    Tom =

    Odds do change dramatically after the gates open.

    Good thing is you use the AI Line to see where the odds SHOULD go.
    After you handicap a couple hundred races you will recognize which
    horses will be well bet at the bell and which won't.

    You won't see near as much odds variation at the large tracks than
    you see on the smaller tracks. A few weeks f experience and it will become
    clear.

    Tough to see now, but you'll pick it up real fast.
  • big shout out to jimmy pommier for his work out idea:
    Bob -

    I am not getting it. What is this 225 and 224?

    Those are the factor numbers you would use to make the report.
    On the handicapping window, if you hit "Prog" 3 times, you get pre-made
    reports. You also have the ability to make up your own, There is an
    Excel spreadsheet with all of the factors you have available.

    Message me through your and I'll help you with any questions.
    Or


    You may want to join us Wednesday evening for our handicapping
    get-together. We'll get you up to speed real quick!!
  • big shout out to jimmy pommier for his work out idea:
    If you have a slot left , you may want to include #415 -
    number of times on track in the last 30 days.
  • big shout out to jimmy pommier for his work out idea:
    So what did he tell you to do?? And how do you use it?

    Time for the "Prince of Profit" to reveal!!!
  • day of the race and jockey switches in general
    Prince =
    Do you $$$ won or win % for your comparison?
  • day of the race and jockey switches in general
    Fabulous, Jim!!

    Where is the best place to pick up the changes?

    The track crawl?

    Equibase scratches/changes page?
    https://www.equibase.com/static/latechanges/html/latechanges.html

    And where do you get the jockey standings to know if it is a
    good change or bad?

    The "Prince of Profit" has it nailed!!
  • Definitions = A Thesaurus of deTerminator concepts
    Factor #12 = Condition

    Any chance of getting definition??
  • Adjusting the betting line (From PaceAdv)
    Excellent answer.

    Give that man a cigar!!
  • Equibase to Develop New Rating System for Races
    Great!! This should make it easier to realize a profit
    IIIIIFFF
    we analyze the form cycle to see which horses are
    improving and which are declining!!

    If all the horses are about the same ability, form cycle
    analysis should be the best way to separate the contenders
    from the pretenders. That is unless a single horse is so
    dominant that he can't be beat even if he runs a bad race.

    Dave has an excellent program well worth the money.
    Check it out!!!!

    Improve or Decline Video Seminar (Download)
    Introducing …
    A Surefire, Easy-To-Understand-and-Use Way
    To Address Form Cycle that is Very New and Very Different!

    https://horsestreet.com/product/improve-or-decline-video-seminar-download/