• ponyplayer
    133
    What process do you personally use to determine if a given horse is going up in class, down in class, or is entered at essentially the same class level as in the immediately preceding races?

    And--once that determination has been made (if in fact it is made), what do you do with it?
    OR =
    Are class and speed interchangeable?
  • Jim Pommier
    86
    I use the Class factor 213 (or 13 rClass) in my contender selection process. To separate contenders, I don't look at up or down, rather I rank the horses by class and look for a large gap/break. I'll give it a try explaining.
    Percentages & Probabilities 2022, Dave refers to this as the "King of Class" (about the 8:26 mark of the video). It's comprised of factors 14, 15 and 16. 14 - Earnings per Start (based on a % compared to today's purse). 15 - Earnings Box Consistency (6 points win, 3 points 2nd, 1 point 3rd divided by the number of starts times 6). 16 - Average Purse Value (based on a percentage compared to today's purse). I think I got this right based on the video.
    I like to use the Class factor to separate contenders especially if there's a large gap. That's what I look for. Examples:
    Today 08JAN2025 TAM Race 4. Sort and rank by class-- the top ranked horses are 65, 62, 53 and then there's a gap/break to the 4th ranked horse at 34 (19 point gap). To me these top 3 horses have the best class. The #1 Mamba with the 65 class rating won and paid $8.00.
    Today 08JAN2025 TAM Race 6. Sort and rank by class-- the top ranked horse is 60 and then there's a gap/break to the 2nd ranked horse at 44 (16 point gap). The #3 Like with the 60 class rating won and paid $14.20.
    I like to see large 15+ point gaps/breaks. These horses don't always win, but if they qualify under other factors like Pace, PSR and Trainer-- I have what I believe is a solid contender.
  • Tom Atwater
    8
    BRIS class rating
  • PickMaster
    2
    This is a good question as there are many forms of class to consider: purse, claiming tag, track (is the horse shipping in from a higher or lower class track?), trainer, or jockey. These considerations aren’t based on time but are certainly reflected in the odds. My question is when are these factors more predictive than past performance data?
  • Jim Pommier
    86
    I'm not sure that any of these factors can be used by themselves and be more predictive then the key past performance data as a whole. While a contender may have an advantage in 1 or 2 key factors, they may rank lower in others. I think you have to look at for example-- speed and pace with these other forms of class.
  • ponyplayer
    133
    We have many options available:
    Class level of last good race
    class level of best good race
    Average competitive level
    Back class
    Earnings per start
    Earnings box class
    Composite earnings-based class
    Composite level-based class
    Time-decay class performance
    Time-decay average purse value

    And, like you said - is speed just another way of quantifying
    class? An the others also.

    We have more than enough ways to determine it. Is it just a
    personal choice on which one you use? Which do you think
    is best?

    Which is the most profitable? Need to do some research on that.
  • PickMaster
    2
    I think my post might’ve veered off the subject a bit. To answer the original poster’s question: in HSH, I use rcClass, but I’ve never used class to select contenders. I’ve used it to break ties among contenders or add a longshot contender if the horse is ranked first or second in rcClass.
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