I tend to play quite a lot of longer priced horses and like to employ the exacta as a place bet strategy. I will generally wheel these horses front and back with the two betting favorites in the race in the exacta. So being able to potentially eliminate some of these low priced horses from the bottom of the exacta would be advantageous.
Dave: I assume that your research is for cases where low odds horses can be tossed from win consideration. Has your research also come across situations where the low odds horse or horses can be tossed from the place hole as well?
I'll be working through live races with the simplified flow (E4+LP4) and also looking at ways to confirm/eliminate contenders with the other AI Pace objects. I'm focusing just on AI Objects for for now.
I didn't much time yesterday. Will look at it a little more closely over the next few days. Here's a couple I noticed from yesterday.
05APR2025 AQU R12 (Wood Memorial). #1 Rodriguez. PED E. Click thru the Pace-- E 3 until the finish-- Mag 1's. Speed on the Rail and good cEP and cFT-- paid $9.30.
05APR2025 SAX R12. #2 Lammas. 10-1 ML. AI BH 1 1. RED E. Passes most of the Pace E's, EP's and LP's-- and all of the E, EP and LP psr and cls. Went off at 6-1, below the ML and AI (Neal)-- paid $14.40.
I've been using seems to be doing very well nice and quick and easy just the way I like it I also have been using an object from HSH called Pace Strength to either justify a contender or eliminate one with some success
Flip-side. 25 Dirt races at MVR, PRX, GPX and TAM (no MSW, MdClm or 4-horse races). RED Running Styles EP, LP and SR. Only 1 winner with 8 or 7 ES points.
16 Turf races at GPX and TAM (EP, LP and SR)-- no 8 or 7 ES point winners.
15 Tapeta races at GPX (EP, LP and SR)-- only 1 winner with 8 or 7 ES points.
Sample size is small. But it does appear that ES 8 and 7 front runners struggle when the RED Running Style is not E.
Here's a good BALO check (unfortunately it doesn't happen all that often). NOTE: I've been testing all races except MSW, MdClm and 4-horse races.
Dirt races with the Red Running Style E or EP on the My Hcp screen. Horses with Running Style (RS - 402) 4 and 5 with Early Speed points (ES - 202) 0 or 1 Speed points only win about 10% of the time.
Turf races with the RED E (NOTE: I tested GPX and TAM). Horses with 0 or 1 Early Speed points only win about 10% of the time.
GPX Tapeta races with the RED E. Have tested the last 28 Tapeta races with the RED E-- have not come across a horse with 0 or 1 Early Speed points that won.
It takes a pretty good horse with 0 or 1 ES points to close and win a Running Style E race.
Please make a post in HANDICAPPING.
Big vulnerability in BALOs.
Must be morning line favorites.
Don't throw out 2nd choices.
(3rd or worse can probably be tossed.) — Dave S
He also said that this actually IMRPOVED his results.
Not currently a Determinator user and this is not meant to be a redboard, but I had this horse as a play because I just love 2nd time Lasix horses combined with any type of potentially positive change: In this case the improved workout since last raced and blinkers-on. I have had more than just a few scores lately in maiden races that look very similar to this one.
Just curious in terms of your lingo on your software where the number # 11 Idratherbeblessed was on your line in Race # 10 at Fair Grounds was Sat. and was wondering where "First Pitch" last race at Aqueduct yesterday. LOL.. funny baseball season getting underway... there is no cheating in horse racing despite being very cheap horses in the last race...........................