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  • Jim Pommier
    174
    Have a couple of horses that I like. Tossing out the #1 Renegade and #18 Further Ado from the win.

    I like the #6 Commandment. Solid speed figures, trainer, jockey and class. PEN and BH Rank 3.

    Then the #7 Danon Bourbon. Lightly raced undefeated 3 for 3 Japanese horse (Kentucky-bred). Love the breeding-- Maxfield (Street Sense) and Tapit. Shouldn't be too far off the early pace and hopefully has the strength/stamina down the stretch.
    Good luck and have fun today.
  • Tony Kofalt
    409
    good luck Jim and thanks
  • Dave Schwartz
    449
    In fairness, an AI engine - even if it trained on every KY Derby in the last 20 years would have... wait for it... twenty races.

    That's such a narrow sample with crazy variances. It would basically create a backfit - which would be pretty much worthless.

    Truth be told, this is one of the rare times when an LLM using social media opinions has the potential of shining.

    Must ask the right questions for what you're searching for - based upon the Wisdom of the Crowd concept.

    For example...
    1. If you're interested in high hit rate, use a question like, "Who are the 3 most likely winners?"

    2. If you're interested in crazy high exacta payoffs you could structure your question like, "Who are the potential big-priced horses that have a chance today?"


    Please note that I put all of about 4 minutes thought into this.

    Dave
  • Dave Schwartz
    449
    Social media said 14 1519 R the hot long shots.
  • Dave Schwartz
    449


    Yes, I saw it.

    Funny thing was that I thought it was the 18.
  • Red Knave
    31
    abRx and abRy were all over the 19. He was my saver in the race. In a chaos 5 race those 2 ratings and *r4 help point to exotic plays.
  • Gillycapper
    50
    Golden tempo wanted more distance and fit perfectly into the race. Ped on the horse was strong. Amazing ride by Jose Ortiz.
  • Chuck
    4
    Well post mortem? I had the Derby winner, this was one of the stranger races I have seen and I will pipe in just a so called chaos/conspiracy theorem or theory as this race unfolded. First of all, from a handicapping standpoint, I just alot of different things in my handicapping in terms of math and what happens between Morning Line, what happens in Contention and finally the magical buzz work, Value or BALO or True Odds. My designed speed figures that I have refined had 3 deep closers or Sustained or Stretch runners. Low and behold guess who they were----Renegade # 1, Ocelli # 2, and a close 3rd. "Golden Tempo".

    Lets look at the 3 jockeys.............Irad Ortiz Jr. contracted or obligated to ride for the Repole Stable. J. Ortiz Jr. the younger brother.. from all accounts... two of the nicest men in the sport and connected rather well since their venture to New York from their fathers jockey school in Puerto Rico. So.. quickly, the two boys go to New York 11-13 years ago.. dad calls old friend Angel Cordero and says hook up my boys. Guess what trainer who is starting to grow and starting to make a name for himself. "Chad Brown" Great connection.... now guess who was one of Chads assistants... Cherie DeVaux. guess who J. Ortiz is married to Taylor Rice: lol. guess who her Aunt is.................only maybe the best overall New York trainer of all time: Linda Rice. oh.. guess who rode Ocelli........T. Gaffalione........... guess who are 3 best friends............ I. Ortiz. Jr. J. Ortiz Jr. T. Gafflione.. Now my picks were pretty simple.. I was in on Further Ado, Emerging Market and you guessed it Golden Tempo.. and my system continues to give me more and more faith... the best lowest variants relative to speed, Performance and deviation was top 3 Renegade and Golden Tempo. So... if you trip handicap.. go back and watch the Louisana Derby and the Risen Star.. this horse was lazy.. but watch his stretch run .. up the rail saving ground.. was closing like crazy.. and watch the reigns... he held the horse up.. and only finished a length out. By the way.. the stretch run.. did anybody think that an inquiry could have been called in the stretch???????? I have watched the stretch run several times.. the pace was pretty hot.. the stretch was crowded as Danon took the lead but somehow the two Cox horses came together.. Commandment and Further Ado were grinding and guess who else who I had in my exactors and exotic plays was on the inside of them was Chief Wallabee. Ocelli. first wiped out Commandment and Further Ado.. and I believe. Renegade right behind Ocelli.. wiped out Incredibolt who was moving which in turn pushed Chief Wallabee inside with no where to run. and on the outside with clear paths were Renegade and Golden Tempo. .. Now.. racing luck... bad trips.... racing luck.. I do not know but maybe I am blind.. but I saw two horses cut horses off in the stretch.. and in traffic.. now, Maximum Security spooked coming into the stretch and took out War of Will, Country House and was disqualified.. DO NOT EVER TELL ME.. THAT SOMETHING WAS GOING ON THERE...
  • Jim Pommier
    174
    Nice write-up. I'm sure someday there will be a movie about the Ortiz brothers-- wonderful story.
    We could debate the stretch call until the 2027 Derby. Sure, there could have been an Inquiry posted. Would it have changed anything, who knows. It's simply a part of horse racing.
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