What are the average winning odds for chaos 4 and 5 races? Also, we know that 88% winners come from 8/1 or better horses in all races. Is it still 88% in all chaos 4 and 5 races? — Dave R

I don't have data with the AI yet, but I can share what I know from my history over the years.

First, a tiny correction - 88% of winners are BELOW 8/1.

Is it still 88% in all chaos 4 and 5 races?
No. It is MUCH lower, meaning that the chances of a longshot payoff jumps through the roof. My guess would be something like 30%-40% or more will pay 8/1 or above.

If memory serves the AVERAGE PRICE in Chaos 5 is something like $28.

You just gave me an idea for a type of workshop we could schedule regularly: STATISTICAL QUESTIONS.

This would be where deTerminator users post their questions and we work thru them live using HSH as the primary tool.

Dave, will these meetings be recorded so that we may go back and review them at later dates? — Dave

Absolutely.
They will always be added to the list of videos.

1. Click inbox on the menu bar.
2. Click start new conversation in the upper left corner.

We need at least one post here in order to send a PM. This is mine. — Red Knave

Discovered that last night.
I'll get Sherri to turn that off.

Curious as to what AI software package you used for your new product? — Slim

It is 100% original code.
Nobody else's libraries whatsoever.

Send me a private message with your info, please.
Click Inbox.

Some of the BALOs get bet way up - 5/1 or higher.

Are these higher prices visible at 1-2 minutes to post
or are the severe odds increases only seen after the gates open?

I bet through Bovada and betting is cut off at 0 minutes to post. If the
horses circle behind the gate for 5 minutes, my ability to wager late
is zero.

Rephrased - will the public show these horses as cold on the board
before the ADW money is "not" sent in? Does the public money always/
usually agree 1-2 minutes before the start with the ADW money? — ponyplayer

I have no idea.
Well, I have some idea.

Please... I BEG YOU...
If you insist on using the GATE ODDS or anything from the tote board... you will prevent this from working AS IT WAS DESIGNED TO WORK.

The idea is that the AI is predicting who SHOULD or SHOULDN'T be bet.

Try to wrap your mind around the fact that this is DIFFERENT than who WILL or WON'T actually be bet.
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Every experiment I have ever done with BALOs of my own creation failed miserably when I used gate odds. I KNOW it seems logical that the tote would improve things, but I PROMISE it will not.

Remember that the AI is actually using my approach to this, except it had the ability to change the numbers and modify the Ranks & Mags.

What are you trying to accomplish?

I have a plan for this but it will not be in the upcoming beta release.

It will be addressed within a couple of weeks of initial release.

You definitely deserve a prize; you just had the wrong category (was my point).

LOL - Perfect.


Wait until you see how much more there is... some is already in DET and more that I have to share.
Just the tip of the iceberg. I'll try to find time for some screenshots soon.

Meanwhile back to my single bug and the rest.

"I think it deserves a Nobel Peace Prize, but I know nothing about dynamite." — ponyplayer

Can't believe I missed this reply for NINE DAYS!
If you look up Nobel peace prize, you'll find that Alfred Nobel produced weapons and explosives.
WIki Article: Nobel Prize

Great questions.
And thank you for asking here.

Do the whales only bet to win, or do they bet exacta, tri, sup, DD, pic3-4-5?
They play almost every track, almost every race at those tracks, and almost every pool within those races.

Also, when we get the program, will it all be on the internet, similar to Betmix, or will we have our own program that we download to our computers?
deTerminator will reside on your local machine.
You can take it anywhere. Perfect for a laptop. An internet connection IS NOT REQUIRED to run.
However, It will be licensed to a single machine, and will not run on a different machine.

(Yes, it is very good at telling the difference between machines.)

Because we want more accuracy.

They are two different approaches.
The RED number is based upon RUNNING STYLE - and, by virtue of not being green, is NOT AI. It is a computation.

The GREEN numbers ARE AI because the AI used it's own approach to build the objects and its own algorithm to determine likeness (to the AI Line), albeit starting with a formula I gave it.

1. Maybe I missed it. Along the paceline, between o AIBH and o Pace E there's a bold red pace figure like "SR". I wasn't sure what that was for? — Jim Pommier

SR stands for "Stretch Run."
The RED SR means that is what the RUNNING STYLE of the race would indicate to be the most important OBJECT of the 4 objects.

Chaos races. I'm guessing that the AI ranks a Chaos "5" more chaotic than a "1"? In one of the races, you knew that it was a chaos race. Is that because there were two (2) contenders (2 Non-BALO's) or was there a field or something that indicated it was a chaos race? The Instruction or Strategy screen that you went to-- is that just for chaos races? It's a nice feature.

That is correct. The primary difference between a 4 and a 5 is that a 5 suggests doing no handicapping and just playing ALL the NATURAL ODDS horses.

With a CHAOS-4 you CAN handicap the winners to the top.

Note that applying handicapping in a CH-5 (and only betting the good ones) will get you a whole bunch of medium -priced winners --- and likely be solidly profitable --- but at the expense of the GIANT payoffs - like $0, $120 and the like.

Those horses just very rarely handicap to the top against horses that ultimately wind up paying $12.

The host is back up.

The links are correct.
The host is down.
Second time this week.

First, I love all these ideas.
Some are a little labor intensive - and my personal labor is always in short supply.

But I've already scheduled a meeting with Sherri (my primary VA) and Kelsey to make many of the iother things happen.

Just a heads up - I'm in the process of recording a video of BALOs from April 13 - the day that Matt commented about on PaceAdvantage. It' is long and comes in multiple parts.

The first part shows how well it works and the rest is simply PROOF if anyone wants to see that.

Aside from your wonderful use of metaphors - the rippling muscles part was by far the best - I am humbled by your comment.

Thank you.

It's coming real soon.
I am assuming that you're an HSH user. Reach out quickly so I may offer you a wonderful discount on the new software.

the output meaning the outcome of the race and the associated factors of the winners? — Dennis

The output of the race... but no idea what the factors are.