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  • Bill Rudnicki
    9
    Good morning;

    I'm babysitting the grandkids right now which is a real pleasure for me. I tend to play horizontal wagers and am hesitant in removing the D's and L's. for this type of wager. For example, I hit the late pick 4 yesterday at Saratoga; three d horses and 1 H5 won the pick 4. The way I tend to play is to use the 88 to get to the contenders, then use the penelope profit button and AB pace screen to finalize my wagers. I also tend to look for a key contender to single in any of my horizontal wagers. I will be trying the elimination method outlined yesterday in truly chaos races and see how it affects my results.
  • Dave Schwartz
    455

    This is a great topic - and one I won't be much help with.

    Not being a Horiz player, my best guess is that you must do some studying to figure out an optimum ticket structure for your particular style

    For example... using 4 dL-horses would probably be a waste of money.
  • Bill Rudnicki
    9
    This is why I look for a single to wager - it keeps costs down and I can still make a little bit of money if all D horses come in.
  • Ira Yorn
    28
    I play horizontals sometimes finding that single is very difficult and I also find D horses beating me when I try to skinny down the wagers try to find sequences where you can find some value that's what I do when I play them Unfortunately singles are usually D horses
  • Bill Rudnicki
    9
    D horses are almost always singles when I play. To pick a D horse to play as s single, I use the AB pace button and look to see if my single has 1's across the board. If so,that is usually my single.
  • Tom Atwater
    21
    I would guess that one way to get higher horizontal payoffs is to find d's that you do *not* like, and use the other contenders in that race. Or at least use them only minimally when you structure the ticket, suing more combinations with the others.
  • Dave Schwartz
    455
    This is why I look for a single to wager - it keeps costs down and I can still make a little bit of money if all D horses come in.Bill Rudnicki


    I don't see how that strategy can possibly produce long-term profit.
  • ponyplayer
    204
    How much is your ticket at $1.00?? Would the following
    help?

    It seems that a much larger percentage of non-d's and L's
    (profit horses) are coming in. And we are hitting a very high
    number of profit horses.

    If you 1x2x2x2 = $8 and do only the best d or L for the single
    and do 1 single per race you, have 4 races x $8 = $32.00
    if you eliminate all the d's and L's you have 2x2x2x2 = $16
    on 1 ticket if it is all profit horses that win.

    $32 + $16 = $48.00 would be the investment. You won't have
    a huge hit rate but it should be solid and you should make money.

    Another question is, what percentage of pick 4's do I need
    to hit to make my psyche comfortable? The higher the percentage
    of wins that you need, the greater the coverage you must have.
    But, that greater coverage also means less ROI. This is where
    you start = I must have a win percentage of ??? And I must
    have a return of ??? What is your sweet spot to satisfy both
    requirements? Only then do you know how large your wager
    will be.

    Thoughts??
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